A powerful conversation on healing, embodiment, and transformation. Anamargret Sanchez shares her journey through grief, yoga, deep coaching, and ketamine therapy—and what it truly means to expand your capacity for joy.
What happens when you stop running from your pain, and finally turn toward it?
In this episode, transformational coach, ketamine facilitator, and longtime yoga teacher Anamargret Sanchez shares her deeply personal journey from loss and disconnection to embodiment, healing, and purpose.
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jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: [00:00:00] Margaret, it is so wonderful to be here with you. I'm gonna share a story later with everybody on how we go way back. and that'll be a little touch point. But before we get there, you are very well known, very established yoga teacher.
You've been practicing, I think for 30 years, more or less. you are a transformational coach. You're a Ketamine facilitator, which we'll get into. Before all of that, who would you say Anna Margaret Sanchez was prior to the onset of your own transformational journey?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Let's see, Anna. Margaret was a little lost and disconnected. I would
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: I.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Um, my, a lot of my old stories that I feel transformation like have transformed now. Were, um. You know, was like a touch bigger, bigger than a touch of unworthiness, of being disconnected from myself, of not feeling like I [00:01:00] belonged in this world. And took me a long time to kind of land in my body, land in the space, understand that I have a purpose. But it took me a little while to get there.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: I'd love to hear a little bit around what that actually looked like, you know, to the degree that you're open to sharing what, what were as a young girl, you know, I know you have German, Jamaican, Cuban heritage, and I'm sure that kind of plays into a little bit of the, uh, cultural hodgepodge that you experienced inside and not feeling here or there, but also feeling everywhere at once.
what was it like to be you as a young girl, young woman, you know, any, any stage that you most relate to when you're speaking to this?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: When I think about it, kind of my origin story is the foundation for that kind of disembodiment. So I was, I was born to, um, unmarried parents, so that was already like a, [00:02:00] you know, like a stigma, I would say, like cultural stigma. then my dad was. Minister of Jamaica, so that there was a lot of um, kind of hiding 'cause like hiding my identity and hiding his identity. 'cause you know, again, they weren't married. So there was like a little shame involved, I would say, my birth, not by my immediate family, but. right outside the circle. necessarily spoken, but felt, you know, kids, we don't really know what's going on, but we know something is off. then my mom wa um, she died when I was five and a half, that left me in a place of abandonment, feeling abandoned, and I also felt enraged with God, you know, like. That God took her from me, also that I did something to deserve that. [00:03:00] So that already kind of set up a platform. While I'm feeling this on one side, I have to say that on the other side, there was so much love for me in my immediate family, know, and I felt a little, almost like guilty that my grandmas had to raise me. this burden. You know, and of course later on I find, you know, that's my story in my little girl head. And later I find out that basically it was like a second life for them be able to raise me have a piece of my mom still there with them. But, you know, when you're a kid, everything you take on, it's, you know, you're the center.
So everything is around you. Um, the good and the bad. So I just felt, you know. Just, I don't know, this certain burden that they had to take care of me. And I behaved super well. I was a very, um, [00:04:00] child, you know, 'cause I wanted everything to be okay. I don't wanna be thrown out of the tribe. I felt I was also contracted in that way. I really, I wouldn't say not allowed to express grief, but when I did, they would immediately try to shut it down. They didn't want to see me hurt. So I understand, and also I'm sure that they could not maybe accept all that hurt themselves. Like, you know, the grieving was intense and it was a little bit sad in my home. Definitely sad inside of me.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. How did that develop as you entered into young womanhood, you know of that, that feeling of holding your emotions back, of not feeling, of feeling abandoned, of feeling like a burden. What did that then look like as you were becoming a woman in your life?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I think there's a numbness. You know, nothing is. Nothing is absorbed because you're trying to move away from the pain. And when we move away from something or don't allow [00:05:00] something in, also something isn't allowed out. You know? So that those two worlds, it was like, I don't know, I really put up a lot of walls around me to protect myself and just, you know, I. I had an outward appearance of everything was okay, but inside I feel like there was a lot of suffering and I felt there was not only sadness, but also anger,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: wishing to be different. contentment came much later. You know, but in those, in those years, yeah. And plus I left Jamaica when I was little I was told we were gonna go back never did.
So I was really upset about that because my mom was buried, is buried there, my dad was there and all my, you know, everything I knew that was close to my mom and part of that life was there.
And then we came here to Miami. And in Jamaica I had, you [00:06:00] know, we had land, we had. uh, like pets, we had trees.
And here I was lived by the airport in a little apartment. I could only play like where they could see me right there. So my life really contracted when we moved, when we moved here.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Why did they make that decision to move?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Because things were getting hectic in Jamaica the person that become became Prime Minister after my dad, he had gone to Cuba and was friends with Re Castro. So people got really scared that we were gonna be another communist island and things were a little violent there. They tried to assassinate my dad and you know, but again, it was supposed to be temporary.
But you know, I am in Miami.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Fully established, the roots having taken shape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the breaking point for you then? you came into Miami, you're feeling just like a, a shell of yourself and you're kind of [00:07:00] just confined, both physically, but also emotionally, psychologically, maybe spiritually.
what broke then for you to start asking deeper questions and exploring deeper truths?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Well, I have to say in all, my godmother was very, um, she believed in. For lack of a better word, like magic and the esoteric world. she believed in dreams and ghosts and stuff like that. So I was introduced to that. There was like a flavor of that throughout my, my upbringing. And then in high school I read Sid Arthur and that sparked a little something in me. So after that it was, you know, I really, although I loved fiction, I also loved philosophy. And I loved anything that was, I guess anything that wasn't like the real world, you know, that gave me a glimpse that there was other [00:08:00] possibilities in other realms. So that kind of opened, opened me up and I
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: and you got curious. Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Like what else? You know what else is not only out there, but what else is in here? Like, how can I tap into that? And I, I did that in, you know, in good ways and bad ways. So I, I did have my party years you know, I, I was misbehaved a little bit. Um, but even in my party years and all that stuff there, I was still seeking. I still remember, um, even after clubs and all that stuff, like sitting with a friend and just discussing spirituality and what God meant and the divine. And so it was really interesting that even though I used these things to escape, to escape the pain, it also opened me to have these conversations that were a little more vulnerable and a little bit off left center.
You know, it gave [00:09:00] me that space to be able to inquire more.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah. I, I relate so deeply to that. I had a similar experience growing up here in Miami. You can't escape the party scene, but then once you're sort of on a certain track, you, you know, you're asking deeper questions. But you have one foot in one door, one foot in the other. Yeah. Yeah. so then at what point did your lifestyle start changing as a result of the decisions you were making or the things that you were exploring?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I would say, you know, and I also wanna say like I, there's a. A pause button somewhere inside of me, I don't know what it is. That only allowed me to get so far, so far into trouble.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Hmm.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And then like parts of me knew I don't wanna really go down that road. So when I started practicing yoga more and being more embodied and reading like the Bava Gita the Yoga Sutras and other philosophies, it was like, oh my gosh, this is what I've really been waiting for all my life like to understand [00:10:00] concepts. There's conversations to be had that there are divine natures and energies and stuff that even though I didn't see it, I felt it, like I knew somewhere in me there was a knowing. So this really, these really answered a lot of those questions, made me question more, um, answered things. It was such a beautiful coming, coming together and moving in my body in that way, in a slower way. able to rest as well. So it's not only only movement, but like Shavasana was such a release, especially when I was taking care of my caretakers, when it was my turn to C take them. was the only place that I could go and in a way, grieve like, and be authentic with the pain that I couldn't show them, and the fear that I couldn't really show them because I was trying to make their journey easier, you know?
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Specifically in that pose in Shavasana,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yeah,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Okay.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: re, [00:11:00] there were other things that moved me, but Shavasana was where everybody had their eyes closed.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Hmm.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: put something over my eyes and just let those tears flow. And I still remember even my belly like jumping, you know, 'cause you're trying not to make noise. the pain and the release was so deep Shavasana held me in that space.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like your journey inward was almost like step by step and one thing led to the other and you kind of went deeper into yoga. I'm sure every sort of class you took and every, you know, piece of literature that you read, it just kept taking you a little bit deeper, a little bit deeper.
And, and at what point did you realize this is what you want to dedicate your life to?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: When I realized how it got me through death. The deaths 'cause both my grandmas passed away within a year of each other. And it was like, I don't know how I would've done that without, not just the physical practice, but the philosophical aspect to it. The [00:12:00] Guiana yoga, you know, um, was really, really important to me. And understanding also even, know, the karmas like that everybody has their own karmic. Experience, you know? So it helped me understand that my mom dying wasn't personal. That was her karma and our karma together, that my dad not being able to take care of me. 'cause I did have resentment. Like I don't care that he's prime minister, you know, I want a father. And when I went back for his funeral, which was a state funeral, I realized, wait, my dad not a father for individuals. He was a father of a country. That was really, really healing and I feel like I could only have understood that me, I could only have understood that through a karmic lens, through that kind of yogic lens that we're here, we are here to share space, but there's still, even though there are parents, they're still individuals
having their own experiences.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah. No, it's [00:13:00] incredible. it's really the. The embodiment of the explore, because what, what happens, it sounds like for you, is that as you went deeper into your body, you went deeper into your emotions. As you went deeper into your emotions, it unlocked, connections and memories to those that you love.
That then, then the space itself gave you the space to, to process it, to, to have it move through you,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yes.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: To digest it fully, to
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: digest it and also to be with it,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: be with.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: To be with a discomfort, to be with a grief, to be with a sadness. It's not just the light. That's, that's what I, I thought in the very beginning, right? Like, oh, like this is great. I don't have to go through the shadows.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Right.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I'm just gonna be in the light. And it was, you know, that was okay, but got to the light and that was beautiful.
But it supported the shadow work that I did later.
do that right away, you know, right away it was like, oof, this is really nice. And I really cultivated a strong relationship with the divine [00:14:00] and the light within, like, it's so solid now. There's no, there's there. We don't have any fights anymore. I used to, I used to feel abandoned by the divine.
That was like, oh no, I, I abandoned God. It
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: way around.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Right, right.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And, and then that gave me the courage and the strength to go into the places that are really uncomfortable.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Hmm.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And that where the juice is in a way, you know, that friction, um, happens the light, it's like, woo, that's like the, the way, that's what happens after.
But how do we get there? at first it was like I was going around it, you know, and then it was like, oh no, I have to sit in it for a little bit.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: sit and yeah.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: What were, was it solely yoga that invited you deeper into your shadow, or were there other support mechanisms or, or areas that you, okay. Okay. Yeah. [00:15:00] Touche.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: therapist. For sure. Uh, 'cause they could hear things that I said or didn't say, and it was like, uh, let's look into that. Like you just skipped right over that.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Right.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: know, I would say it like super nonchalantly,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: my grandmother's, you know, my mom died and this happened as if nothing, and they're like, um, no, we, let's rewind. So yeah, definitely other things, journaling. coaches have helped me. I've done medicine. You know, all those things have definitely. Just help me evolve more and transform
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah. What was it like when you stepped into being a teacher full-time?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: scary. I still remember my first class in four, I would say over five years every class. I'm not kidding, Jonathan. I did stick figures four.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Meaning what?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: up, I drew out the class. This is the sequence. [00:16:00] Okay.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: dirty,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: is theme or this is the direction, you know, whatever it was.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: yeah, and being a teacher, I mean, I feel like I'm a teacher second, but a student first, and then I don't even like to say teacher.
I like to say someone who shares, you know, I share the knowledge of what, how I understand it, of how it's helped me. And I feel like that's how I transmit the best, like through my experiential, um, knowledge, not theoretical.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. When did you start finding some confidence there? In, in the front of the yoga room or the yoga Shaah?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Well, when, you know, I also allow the downloads to come through class, you know, that were not.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: I.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: didn't try and write that. I had not written that down or, um, it wasn't planned. But the more open I became, the more I felt connected with myself. It's like [00:17:00] things came through me you know, a student would come up after, whether it was right after class or wrote me later or even years later and said, what a difference. had made for them or how safe they felt in my class. Those things just started building out my confidence, like, wow, yeah, I, I have something to offer here. And plus my love of yoga, like if nothing else, it's not me, but it's the, the practice itself that is so powerful and I was really happy to be able to share that.
And I had great teachers. I have to say was lucky.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. what do most people mistake or get, confused about yoga as a whole?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: That it's really hard and it's only about the poses like they feel it's just a really physical practice and they can't do it. So if I have any gift at all in yoga, it's that I allow peop, everybody feels like they can do something in my class. Everybody feels welcome [00:18:00] and I learned a lot, um, how to modify classes.
'cause I have a lot of private students. So being one-on-one with people taught me how to really look at a body, how to apply it to the person, not the pose. Right? What, how can, what do you need? How does your body want to move in this in this way? that was really helpful. Yeah.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. And what is it about the poses in particular? That and the movement and the flows that create so much power when done, perhaps in a certain sequence or perhaps done consistently, intentionally. What is it about yoga as a whole, that that is so, um, helpful.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I think it awakens our energy. Our energy of potential, especially because we can look at it in an egoic way, right? Like, wow, I can do this really fancy pose, or we can look at it through the lens of, wow, I was so scared to do this. I never thought I could do it, and here I am.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: [00:19:00] Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And that builds one's confidence as well in their own capabilities and shows us how our limitations can be expanded. And stretched, and we can go beyond our self-imposed limitations and get beyond that. And that's super exciting for anybody. Like, wow, I could do this. This is great. Yeah.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. We're gonna get into some of these other sort of avenues that you support coaching, ketamine, therapy, they all seem to kind of touch at a different aspect of, of a person in a sense. It's one is the body, one is, you know, generally speaking. I mean, we can, you know, coaching, especially the deep coaching work that we do is, is very spirit based, very, um, soul-based.
Uh, and it is. Psyche based as while you're navigating things, the language, the words, um, you know, ketamine has a way to cut through. It sounds like you kind of created an arsenal, so to speak, of the full, of, of creating a full, integrated, fully [00:20:00] integrated human, you know, and all the different aspects of that one might that can support someone in navigating whatever it is, wherever, wherever it is that they're storing things in the nooks and crannies of one's being, you know.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: For sure because people, we, I think we all have moments of disconnection, but right now, and I know you've probably talked about it before, experience it, you know, we're like super disconnected in a way. It's hard for people to even look at each other in the eyes. So. The yoga practice, yes. Like helps you to be more embodied.
The meditation quiets you enough, and then the coaching, especially deep coaching, really speaks to so many aspects, even attuning to each other, spiritual partnership. Being in that space together. And to me that also kind of lights up those centers that we, on an everyday basis, or like even in a regular coaching session, we might not be that open to or try [00:21:00] to cultivate, with deep coaching it's like, yeah, that's part of our sequence
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: and that's part of what resonated with me.
It was like, oh my gosh, this is, is a spiritual practice onto itself.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah, it really is. It really is. For somebody who's unfamiliar, what, what is ketamine?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: It's an anesthesia that they use in hospitals every day.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: That's short of it.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: But what they found was that it creates neural pathways in the brain, in the mind. when I heard that, I was like, wait a minute. Why does this seem familiar to me? And I realized in yoga philosophy, there's something called some scars. some scars are grooves in the mind from repetition. Right, and our routines, and I don't wanna say that every [00:22:00] routine is bad 'cause some routines are really good, but when they're not serving us anymore, we can kind of get stuck in that. that pathway, in those pathways. So it helps us. It helps also 'cause it's a disassociative, it's, uh, ketamine is disassociative. It's not technically a hallucinogen So it kind of gives you a space between you and the pain. Whether it's physical or emotional pain. um, of course the doctor I worked with, she wanted me to have an experience, and when I had it, I was like, whoa, this is witness consciousness. Like what? I've been sitting at my altar for over 20 years trying to get to Ketamine was like, here's a shot.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Right.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I don't know if you'd if people would recognize it as that, but I did.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Hmm.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: wow, I can be here and observe the pain, but not be the pain that's different.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: very different.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: And in what ways are you supporting [00:23:00] people that come to use Ketamine? 'cause it is in a contained environment with a doctor and, you know, it's a, it it done in a sort of clinical setting, right?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: It's, yeah, it's clinical. I mean, set and setting is everything. And I wish we had like a beautiful retreat center. We could do it, but once you put your eye shades on and have the music,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: anywhere.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: you're gone.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: But sometimes I literally will hold people's hands if it's their first time. or I'll sit in the office with them. I also call them and prepare them. Um, we do breath work. We create an an intention together. Um, you know, I get a little bit of their history, but more like where would they like to, how would they like to move forward?
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Hmm.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Not, not just the past, right? They might have a therapist for that, but how would you like to move forward? And then I help coach them in between. So. Um, you know, hearing about what, how their, what their journey was about, um, what they got out of it, what they felt about it. [00:24:00] We have certain questions that we send them, like questionnaires and just kind of like homework. They don't have to do everything, but kind of just to start, for them to start thinking in a different way and being curious about themselves, not through the lens of pain, but through the lens of possibility. You know, so it's like, oh, whoa. I, I, I felt, and I see people too, like, it's interesting because Joy can almost scare them, you know, or letting go of what's familiar, letting go of the pain, which they've known for so long.
It's like, who am I without the pain? And I experienced that myself, like my capacity for joy. I had to increase it slowly because it could almost feel threatening
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: system that's been hypervigilant.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Mm.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And it's like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. That's too much. Like, I like to be down here, this is like vibrating up
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: frequency, so little by little, you just grow your [00:25:00] capacity to hold that frequency.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: That resonate. I mean, that, that was my journey. Uh, it's funny of all the emotions out there, joy was one of the ones that I was most in some regards, afraid of, unwilling to, or unable to really hold and, and be with, uh, for long periods of time.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yeah.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: like you said, it, it, it's, uh, it's a journey of expanding your capacity to be with it and, and, and sort of find.
A new baseline because then the ba, because there's a part of the psyche that wants to bring you back to the familiar, like you're mentioning, and that that is the work of healing. You're healing those old grooves, those those old grooves, those old patterns that hold you down in those lower states, so to speak.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yeah. Because, yeah, and, and you know. what I realized too, like sometimes if I can't feel joy, like the other day I was journaling and it's like, you know, I'm not feeling joy. So it was like, well, what can I feel? What, what would feel, what would I like to feel instead
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yes.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: be joy? And it was like, oh, I wanna feel [00:26:00] awe, I wanna feel inspired. Um, I wanna feel in community. So it's also like where, you know, not like gripping, like I have to feel joy all the time. 'cause we can't be there all the time either.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: totally.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: So understanding that it's not linear and you don't stay there and get, get attached to that feeling. Attachment is a big deal,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: you know?
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: I mean, 'cause we get, we get attached to all the feelings, you know, oh, I'm feeling, I'm feeling down, I'm feeling depressed. And then we're holding onto it and creating a story around it.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yeah.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: um, I'm feeling worried. I'm, I'm, I'm anxious. And then we just ruminate on it. Give it more energy, give it more life.
Right. But if we can be light with it, you know, let it go in the moment. Come back to what. You know, this is where yoga comes in, right? The coming back into our body, coming back to our breath, feeling this moment here that, that kind of creates a new baseline and we, we, we start to discover what else might be possible in this precise moment.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Exactly, and [00:27:00] I have, like I have enough maybe experience now that I can also, if I need to feel sad, I can feel sad.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: that's right. Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I need to feel angry. There's sacred anger. You know, when I look at the pantheon of the goddesses, like, you know, they're cutting heads and they're fierce. They're not just,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: braiding their hair and chanting.
They're doing a lot of other things. So their sacred anger
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: sure.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: just being real, I think, yeah, being authentic in oneself is important.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. How long is Ketamine experience?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: You mean one journey?
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: The journey that you guide, that you're there with somebody.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Oh, um, it's about an hour and 20 minutes or so.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. And what kind of people are, are making the decision to do this? What, what are they seeking? What kind of healing are they looking for?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: A lot of them, you know, it's interesting 'cause a lot of them have been on antidepressants for over 20 [00:28:00] years and they're like, it's not working anymore.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: like. I know because you're numb
and you're not feeling anything. So we have to kind, if you're willing to go a little bit into those places so that we can move through it and not around it. And antidepressants are so helpful. I'm not poo-pooing it at all, when we don't do any work, when it's just like, I'm gonna take this and I'm just gonna recite my old stories, it doesn't move. It doesn't move us forward.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Totally.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: really stuck there.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: yeah,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: yeah. Things work and are helpful until they're, they aren't.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Right,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: You know, and
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I have all ages. I mean, we have people that are 20 and I just had someone who's 86.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Wow.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: so it's, it's beautiful that 86 you're willing to change
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: It's incredible. Yeah. What are some [00:29:00] of the most, uh, impressive experiences that you've seen or witnessed in somebody else?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Well, that they don't come back. You know, that's our goal.
It's like, yeah, like you're healed enough. But, um, seeing people awaken to themselves and the best of themselves is such a beautiful part of this job. It's so gorgeous. And the other day someone again sent a text and said, thank you so much. Because what I realize is that I can feel the things that I feel that hurt, but I don't have to stay in that place anymore. So to hear somebody regain their hope, regain possibility, and all that is like that's. That if that's my legacy, I am really, really happy.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: you know,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. [00:30:00]
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I can share that.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: I, I mean, in so many ways, you, you create containers of possibilities in all the work that you do. That's what you are and, and in and in. So, and the curiosity I have is how do you maintain that bandwidth to be able to be that container of possibility for so many people that you work with, whether in yoga and coaching in the ca, ketamine therapies.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Well, I think some of it I was born with, to be honest. Like I have, um, an an innate almost optimism. You know that that is in there. And plus I've just honed that skill a lot. Uh, the capacity, right? For myself and my own experiences. I feel like I've created a space that everybody feels welcome and Like there's not really judgment. You know, 'cause I've seen a lot, I've done a lot, I've experienced a lot. So I'm like, give me your story. I'm okay with that. And I just, I practice, [00:31:00] it's not like I, I practice holding that. I practice not just meditation, but breath work. So the breath is so important because the breath also taught me that. The breath is the first thing actually that showed me that I could not the energy because I couldn't hold my inhales, which is life force. It's not just oxygen, it is prana, it's life force. So little by little I started, you know, holding longer and doing more, um, breath work workshops and just learning how to play with with that.
And that's a big key. And when I'm full and I know when I'm full because I wake up and I'm thinking about patients or clients,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I'm there. So now I know how to take care of myself. I'll take a few days and go somewhere, and I put myself through a silent retreat a couple months ago. Um, I got off social media for those days. I [00:32:00] journal every day, almost every day. I should say. I meditate daily. I do art, you know, that was something kind of new after our retreat last year. muse was just on fire, the muse in me and she's like, let me out. Let me out.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I started doing watercolors, I got a flute. Those things like started feeding the, the creative outlet and that. filled me. That fills me a lot.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: A lot. me a lot of.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. That's so beautiful. I was hinting at the beginning that you and I go way back and, you know, for those that you know, which is everybody actually that doesn't know the backstory. I had my, well, they know my backstory a bit if you've read, if not, go, go to that episode. But, um, early on in my journey, I was just seeking out avenues for my own healing, uh, while I was here in Miami still, and back in 29 2, 2009, 2010.
There's not. You know, there's not many OO [00:33:00] opportunities, options available in terms of how to begin tapping into oneself here in the city. One of those places was this lovely little yoga studio in Coral, coral Gables, Florida, uh, and you were at the front end of that classroom. Often for me, and I was there in the back and you were one of my introductions to yoga and I, your cla I remember your classes fondly.
And so just last year, a year ago, uh, I see as, as now the managing director of the center. I see a name coming in and Margaret Sanchez, which isn't necessarily an un uh, uh, it's, it could be a common name here in Miami, but the combination is quite unique. Anna Margaret Sanchez and, and one that I, I recognized quite.
Readily and aha. And I look you up, I see your face, and I'm like, holy crap. I hadn't seen this woman's face in, I don't know, 15 years, whatever it was.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Wow.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: and then we connected at the, at the retreat and it just felt like such a full circle moment for me [00:34:00] and my journey to be, um, holding that space in that container for you when you had held.
SA container so often for me back in the day. So I wanted to share that story. 'cause there is that unique, uh, connection that you would've never have known of. You know, you, it's not that, you know, I'm just one person of, of many, uh, in, in a random yoga class on a random Tuesday night, you know, kind of thing.
Uh, but there.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: just wanna say, when I saw you at the retreat and you shared that, I felt, 'cause the retreat, I was going back and forth, you know, should I or shouldn't I? And every, you know, all everybody's like, everybody in my, like in my, my soul is like, you're doing this.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: share that story, it was like, that's a synchronicity that reminds me of the magic of this world.
Like.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yes.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: It's random, but it's not at the same time. And it was so reassuring, and I knew I had landed in the right place. I knew something [00:35:00] so beautiful was gonna come out of not just a retreat, but going forward. And here we are, and a month later having a conversation.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Unbelievable and so much has happened in this year, in, in one month. Given, yeah. In terms of how deep you've gotten into this work, can you share a little bit about, you know, from the retreat into the deep coaching intensive into, you know, you've just, you've been diving in, you've been going in.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: It is wild. So first of all, the book, A Shift in Being was on my shelf for like two years,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: and then last January I opened it and I started reading it and it was like, it. It. I, I can't even, words are not, I can't even find the word to explain what it did. It just kind of broke something open and I was like, oh my God, this is what I've been looking for.
I couldn't, I couldn't put it down. Then I nerded out and I was like, if you were to see my book, it's just all full of talent. It's like, I might as well have just dipped it in [00:36:00] a highlighter flew,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: The whole book just.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: because everything was like popping
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Whole
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: out.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: It's. I don't know how Leon, something was downloaded through that man.
That's all I know.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: No question. No question. Yeah, yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: and um, then I was like, oh, I wonder, I wonder what else they do, you know? So I look it up and it's like, oh, our first North American retreat or whatever in Sebastian, Florida
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: chosen. Now I knew Kashi, the sister property, 'cause I had done retreats there,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Incredible.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: retreats, but this was the other side.
I'm like, how much more convincing do you need, Anna? Okay, so I paid for it, and then I run into you
and I'm like,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: wow, this is amazing. And then I come back and now I'm watercoloring. I'm fluting. You know, I'm just over the, I don't even know if that's a word, but that's what I was doing. If
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: We'll go with it.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: two or more people say it, it becomes a word. I'm [00:37:00] just,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: It.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: um, and then take the DCI.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: summer. Um, and I have to say it was, it was a big deal because it was on Wednesday nights and I work all day. Right. And, you know, I get home at five or six DCI was at 8:00 PM and for six months I did not miss a class. I was so invested, so immersed. It was, it was everything. That I needed to experience to hear, to break through. even though yes, I stand in front of a class sometimes over a hundred people, there's a shy side to me. So believe it or not, going to the small, like triad or diads intimidating, you know? speaking, speaking. Out loud about things that felt more vulnerable rather than, oh, this is a philosophy I've [00:38:00] read. Like really being authentic, felt very vulnerable for me. But it also just things open and, and rewired me.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: And now you're on a podcast.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And now,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: There you go.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I'm saying a lot out loud.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Talk about healing right here. Look at that. Look at the final results.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I know it's just the DCI, you know, and I, it it's not even, you don't have to wanna be a coach.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: It's really like a, a life transforming experience. It really is. That continues because I thought, oh yeah, okay. After I'm done, like I'll be transformed. Um, no, is continuing evolve
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: sure.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Evolve and deepen, certainly. Yeah. You were mentioning a class of over a hundred people. I mean, it got all the way up to, what, 265? Was that the number? [00:39:00] 2 45, a yoga class that you've been running for 18 years in Legion Park here in Miami that started 20 people. You had a class of 245. Tell me, tell me about this class.
Tell me about, you know, where it started, how it evolved, you know, the, the people that come through it. What a, what a community offering. My God.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: That has been the best thing I've ever done in my life. Like I'm so proud of that class. And it started, I hate to say it, it started in a Starbucks. Having with my friend I live close by to the park and I was like, God, I love that park. But it was super rundown. Nobody was really there. I'm like, I would like to teach a class because yoga can be expensive, it can be a little elitist. and I don't know. I wanted to do something for the community here, you know, that everybody could just come like, you didn't, there was, there was no exchange except we all wanna be there together. That was it. [00:40:00] And so I go, we literally, we get, we walk over their coffees and I talk to the park manager and he is like, eh, sure.
Just get a permit and you can do it Like nothing. Like I
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Very Miami.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: proud of that
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: too after a while. So I did everything I needed to do and again, like, you know, I told a few people, so like 20 people came and gradually just word of mouth, it started growing and. know, then it was like, wow, we have 50 people.
And then one of my students, once it got big enough, he's like, I can't hear you. So he got me like a little speaker thing and all that's like a voice amplifier so people could hear me. it's just grown organically and I've seen what's really beautiful is seeing people like mom, you know, pregnant. Women, and then they have the baby. Then they bring the baby to class. Then the babies are big enough to sit on the mat with me to [00:41:00] om. the babies now are like 14, 15, 16.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Incredible. Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: yoga mom, and it's like, this is so magical. I mean, it's just incredible and that everybody, there's something that happens. We do it under oak trees, there's Spanish moss. Hanging down, there's birds, you know, singing with us while we own.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: not only do we celebrate life, but we also have and prayed for people that were sick, people that have transitioned to the next, their next journey, wherever that might be.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: So we've laughed and we've cried together. We've sung Happy Birthday. Um, you know, everything has happened in that class. It's, it's really beautiful.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah, that class to me is representative of the evolution. Miami has undergone, 'cause I was mentioning in 2009 to 2010, you know, you had to like really search for pockets to, to, to, to find your people, to find spaces that were cultivating these kind of [00:42:00] things and. Miami has evolved, has grown up, you can say since then, of course there's the same old stuff and it's just a multifacet.
It really is a multifaceted city. There is something here for everybody and the fact that there are a hundred plus people going to a, a, a park to practice yoga together, infusing. The city with that kind of energy. You know, there, there are, there are many of such pockets now that have sprouted up intentional spaces that people, you know, that, that have so much heart, that have so much soul in it, you know, that have created, um, an extra layer that I so deeply appreciate in the city that I grew up in, that I call home.
I'm so grateful to, to people like you that have poured your hearts and souls into, into the city in this way because. It has so many ripple effects beyond the ones that we can see, you know, not just the people that go off there, but like the, the energy also that transmits from this space.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: A hundred percent. And even when we're, you know, it's a [00:43:00] park, so now there's vendors and farmer's market and
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: So there's noise around us, but there's something contained within our circle
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. I.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And when you talk about ripples, you know, that's what I realize, like the practice and the work that we do, it's not just like for us. It sends ripples into the past. It sends ripples into the future, into the now and the way we drive, how we deal with people afterwards. It changes everything. And that's, that's my job, that's my purpose.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. That is gorgeous. That is gorgeous. How do you see your purpose being made manifest in the years to come? any insights, visions? Are you just stepping into it day by day? How are you relating to that?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I'm day by day, and I also have come to understand that when something needs to happen, it will come to me. You know, I used to. A little part of me, you know, like we all learn like, okay, what do you wanna [00:44:00] manifest? Right? You're the manifester.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Sure.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: And a couple years ago I realized, um, dunno if I'm the manifester or I'm the conduit
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Right?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: from the divine
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yes.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: inspiration, like I don't really think of it.
You know, it comes to me
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: then we, I get to choose whether I do it or not. Well, when it's strong enough, it's not letting me go. So I always pay attention to that one. I'm like, okay. Attention.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: It's true. Yeah. When, yeah. Yeah. when you start living that way, life begins communicating through us.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yeah, and it's like a co-creation,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: know? It's like such a beautiful relationship.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: yeah, yeah. I love the, the, the four, what's the motto? It's the four Stages of Power Life happening. Uh, to me, life happening by me, life happening through me, life happening as me. Those different stages that one can go through, most of the world is living in the life happening to me, level of consciousness.
you graduate to life happening by me and you have a certain power, [00:45:00] right? that's really the place where goals and getting things done. And a lot of our world is built upon that go-getter energy, which is. Which is good for its purpose and its place. And we are evolving, I think, from that place and into a place of life happening through me,
and I think that's part of still the manifesting energies a little bit between by me and through me, but you're also speaking to life happening as me, right? Us being conduits, us being expressions of life itself,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Exactly.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: a beautiful. Beautiful place to live. And I, myself, try to live from that place every single day.
I pray every single day, life. God, please help me get out of my own way so that I can be the vehicle that you need me to be.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yes.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: just use me as you need me. I'm here. I'm here and let me get out my own way. Let the ego go, let everything go. The resistances, the no betters, all that stuff.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Yeah. And even, you know, I, I used to wanna get rid of things. I want to get rid of my fear. I wanted to get
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Right.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: my [00:46:00] insecurity, you know, whatever it was. And it's like, nah, just stick around, but I'm not gonna live from you, but I'm not gonna reject it either.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: so relaxing that too, and not pushing things away has.
I don't know. It's just made things flow in a different way and I'm more relaxed in myself and in, you know, in who I am.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: to reject. It's like, no, and that might have served me at one point, but you can stick around. You don't have to go anywhere. But making these other parts stronger too, that we're kind of squished, you know, by,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: totally.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: things that didn't serve me.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Totally. I mean, you were mentioning witness consciousness. We were, I was talking about you being, the container that can hold so much, but you're not just holding others. You're holding yourself and the various aversions of yourself and, the more spacious we could be, as that witness consciousness, the more the contracting energies can just be and can dissipate and we open up to more of what.[00:47:00]
Can be expressed through us as us.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Exactly, they weaken. And also, I don't live from those places. Not that they don't come up, but I don't live from them. From them as long,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah, totally.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: it
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Totally. That's it.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: shows up, eh. All right. And then,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: you know
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: That's it. That's it. They come and they go like everything else.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: exactly.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Is there anything that we haven't touched upon today that would be helpful to, to share, to bring up here?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: I'm trying to think if there's anything I'm nothing, not any particular subject or anything, just, just that, you know, everything coexists. You know that that saying like there's no light without the darkness
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: really true and I understand it and appreciate it so much from a lived experience
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: that's right.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: and that. can give [00:48:00] myself permission to go into the darkness when I need to, and sometimes I just wanna be in bed, you know, curtains closed and cry a little bit,
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: it moves. That's the way I move through it
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: totally,
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: around it.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: totally.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: yeah.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Oh, that's beautiful. For somebody who's on their own transformational journey that's listening, what insight, advice, suggestion might you give them, as they navigate their own transformational journey?
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: That this work is not done alone. I think that's really important. I tried to do
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: I.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: a few years alone, we need support. We need the collective, if you can be brave enough. To be witnessed in all parts of you. It doesn't have to be with a lot of people. It can be with one or two people that will make the journey much more beautiful, um, than just like, I don't know, than just trying along.
We just can't. impossible. And we're, uh, [00:49:00] interdependent. I mean, we're a collective, we're in this together. So yeah, seek out, seek out the right people. Doesn't have to be a lot, just the right ones.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Yeah. Yeah. And it starts with one conversation, one step, and then one thing leads to to the other. Leads to the other, on and on. Well, Hannah, Margaret, you are, you have this, regal goddess energy to you, and you have this earthy groundedness as well to you, which is, I, I love the total package that you are, and appreciate you deeply and everything that you, bring to this world, and have brought to me.
So thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you for sharing so much of yourself and, uh, deeply appreciate you.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: Thank you for letting me be in this space and I'm just so happy that we reconnected I just want to acknowledge your beautiful soul too. You're so special. very special, and I'm just happy to share this time with you, not just right now, but in this world.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Thank you.
anamargret--she-ella-_1_05-04-2026_163152: appreciate you.
jonathan-_1_05-04-2026_163153: Thank you, [00:50:00] my friend means a lot.